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Post by holdnolonger on Oct 4, 2005 18:07:25 GMT -6
Why is it that so many positive intelligent posters have turned to the dark side and it is almost obvisious CMKX will win BIG eventually.
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Because they had a boat load of shares from illegal activity they supported and stood to make alot of money, but they have been BUSTED bigtime and had to forfiet their shares.
The bad guys were working both sides the short and long positions. IMHO
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Post by digby on Oct 4, 2005 18:12:16 GMT -6
I don't think so. Doesn't seem to make any logical sense to me. Seems more likely that they are just disgruntled shareholders that have lost hope. Many people who lose hope try to bring everyone else down with them. That way they don't feel like it's only them.
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Post by holdnolonger on Oct 4, 2005 18:26:46 GMT -6
remember Frizzell wanted shares cancelled by people who had their hands on some to the restricted shares. Billions of them. This is one reason Frizzell wanted to go after the bad guys if CMKX didn't respond before Oct. 6th. Frizzell's letter came out sept. 6th and the company had a 30 day period to respond and do something about the situation.
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Post by gosh on Oct 4, 2005 18:31:55 GMT -6
Dear Digby, What is that old saying... "Misery loves company." Or one of my favorites that would be perfect for a basher t-shirt... "We're not happy unless you're not happy." Cheers!! Starlight i love that slogan for a tee starlight i used to wear one that made everyone smile as they passed me can i pay mastercard with visa lol holdno longer can you elaborate please i think i get where you are coming from |
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Post by mineralsrus on Oct 4, 2005 18:31:56 GMT -6
woops! sorry wrong thread! That title threw me off a little  |
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Post by mineralsrus on Oct 4, 2005 18:34:30 GMT -6
Why is it that so many positive intelligent posters have turned to the dark side and it is almost obvisious CMKX will win BIG eventually. Answer: Because that had a boat load of shares from illegal activity they supported and stood to make alot of money, but they have been BUSTED bigtime and had to forfiet their shares. The bad guys were working both sides the short and long positions. IMHO I always said Manipulators worked on both sides of trading. Who those manipulators are. I haven't a clue  |
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Post by oldman on Oct 4, 2005 18:36:59 GMT -6
I'm going to say interesting thought. It would explain the sudden pump to bash that was fine except that it happened too quick, imo. Some of these "unhappy" folks seem to be driven rather intensely. Everyone acts the way they do for a reason but some appear to be more angry than what I would call normal for just unhappy shareholders.  |
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Post by woopwoop on Oct 4, 2005 18:40:08 GMT -6
....said it about 1 month ago.....no bites, but i guess what can a guy say?
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Post by digby on Oct 4, 2005 18:40:41 GMT -6
Dear Digby, What is that old saying... "Misery loves company." Or one of my favorites that would be perfect for a basher t-shirt... "We're not happy unless you're not happy." Cheers!! Starlight Very Puny! LOL |
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Post by mineralsrus on Oct 4, 2005 18:43:56 GMT -6
I'm going to say interesting thought. It would explain the sudden pump to bash that was fine except that it happened too quick, imo. Some of these "unhappy" folks seem to be driven rather intensely. Everyone acts the way they do for a reason but some appear to be more angry than what I would call normal for just unhappy shareholders. Thats always struck me as odd behavior as well. I mean, a complete 180? |
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Post by holdnolonger on Oct 4, 2005 19:11:11 GMT -6
Why is it that so many positive intelligent posters have turned to the dark side and it is almost obvisious CMKX will win BIG eventually. Answer: Because that had a boat load of shares from illegal activity they supported and stood to make alot of money, but they have been BUSTED bigtime and had to forfiet their shares. The bad guys were working both sides the short and long positions. IMHO I always said Manipulators worked on both sides of trading. Who those manipulators are. I haven't a clue Same here mineralsrus, But I see so many shareholders especially on 32 that was so positive and stand to make alot of money if and wheN CMKX hits, but all of a sudden they act like the whole world collapsed on them and have nothing poitive to say about CMkX. I guess I'm just over reacting. |
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Post by holdnolonger on Oct 4, 2005 19:17:25 GMT -6
Dear Holdnolonger, You are talking in riddles... Would you mind spelling out your train of thought in complete detail...  Thanks!! Starlight I'll try. LOL For 2 yrs we have posters some of the best DDr's on the boards very positive. We now see them very disgrunted and negative.No names but everyone knows who these people are. We find out about all the illegal shares and restricted shares funnelled Edwards and others and Frizzell wants action taken against them and their shares removed from the market. About the same time alot of positve longs start bashing. Why is that. Is it because they were apart of that inner circle of Illegal shares and stood to make alot of money and now they can't. I hope this is more clear now. If not I can try again. LOL |
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Post by tramp on Oct 4, 2005 19:54:19 GMT -6
well, way i look at it, found out who your friends are.. getting a little bent of shape is one thing, but your mind can overreact, but u need to do a little deep thinking, maybe there was a big reason for all the quiet..
that long, long thread, about IBM's history, i didn't save in my fav list, wished i did, so i could find it fast, if you really read it, IBM done alot of deals by phone.. in fact, about 90%.. never face to face..
when completed, he said fine, done deal, other guy also, ibm would say, its the lawyers now, let them finish it up..
all that was needed, was hughes signature.. or ibm for howard..
IBM works behind the scenes..and people listen. what do u think IBM has been doing?
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Post by roddybear on Oct 4, 2005 19:57:32 GMT -6
I don't think so. Doesn't seem to make any logical sense to me. Seems more likely that they are just disgruntled shareholders that have lost hope. Many people who lose hope try to bring everyone else down with them. That way they don't feel like it's only them. lots of heavy tree shakin if ya ask me. JMO but the more little guys they shake out the better off they are. some are longs with a lot of shares that want to shake the little guy out almost as bad as the "gutter rats" (MM's) do. |
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Post by roddybear on Oct 4, 2005 20:03:10 GMT -6
I always said Manipulators worked on both sides of trading. Who those manipulators are. I haven't a clue Same here mineralsrus, But I see so many shareholders especially on 32 that was so positive and stand to make alot of money if and wheN CMKX hits, but all of a sudden they act like the whole world collapsed on them and have nothing poitive to say about CMkX. I guess I'm just over reacting. i dont think you are over re-acting at all. it is very noticeable what is happening elsewhere on other boards. i think others want to bash for their own reasons. get the newbie or little guys or the guy in a bind to dump his/her shares. helps on the settlement if there ever is one. JMO |
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Post by joesixpack on Oct 4, 2005 20:22:12 GMT -6
I don't think so. Doesn't seem to make any logical sense to me. Seems more likely that they are just disgruntled shareholders that have lost hope. Many people who lose hope try to bring everyone else down with them. That way they don't feel like it's only them. I doubt it.. too much money involved here.. billions.. some of them started off on the good side for months.. gaining stars and peoples respect... then turned.. and thats what we have been facing since day one... I was on the original CMKX board.. we got invaded and it crashed... MachCobra.. had an excellent board on IHUB.. got invaded by good guys that turned... I wont go any further... but you get my point.. this is a war people... get used to it.. until CMKX runs then ... I will be too busy to argue with bashers...  |
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Post by electricrocks on Oct 4, 2005 20:36:16 GMT -6
Hold, I went back and read some old basher techniques, after I saw your thread. Look at some of these www.nfi-info.net/bashertechnique.htmnumber 7,8,9 and so on caught my eye right off. But all of them are pretty much on target, as to what we have all seen. Maybe this will help. electric |
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Post by holdnolonger on Oct 4, 2005 20:57:31 GMT -6
Electric, Was not my point and sorry if I can't explain it well.
There are bashers and basher cells.
The people I am referring to gotten share or restricted shares and have been positive and pumping CMKX for yrs. Now I think IBM and his sources have tracked them down and have or are removing these shares so that when CMKX run or settles these bad guys don't make a dime on the PPS rise.
Now that they have no future to look forward to they are bashing and ill mannered
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Post by electricrocks on Oct 4, 2005 21:07:40 GMT -6
Electric, Was not my point and sorry if I can't explain it well. There are bashers and basher cells. The people I am referring to gotten share or restricted shares and have been positive and pumping CMKX for yrs. Now I think IBM and his sources have tracked them down and have or are removing these shares so that when CMKX run or settles these bad guys don't make a dime on the PPS rise. Now that they have no future to look forward to they are bashing and ill mannered Oh, my mistake, I see what you are talking about. Yep that would make them very angry. Their pie in the sky just vanished. So---------- lets just see how many other people we can make miserable too. electric |
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Post by wwjdthrume on Oct 4, 2005 21:51:51 GMT -6
Hi Holdnolonger, I think you are exactly right. There were people literally jumping positive posters as if they were stealing their money in the middle of the night. You could not post a positive thought and read more than a few minutes before the attacks came.
Hi Electric, The other types were also there. No question in my mind. Some came in August and September bashing from the get go and were trying to be everybody's new best friend.
Some there are just disgruntled longs. We may not be able to sort them all out. But some we have a bullseye on.
IMO-Debi
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Post by ericdraven on Oct 5, 2005 5:22:38 GMT -6
Although I don't totally buy into the illegal share scenario, the one thing that doesn't make sense to me is .... why, in Gods name, would any one individual spend so much time and effort on a message board if they were simply upset with the company? Why? Look at the turnarounds on 32. They post all day and all night, always having a thread up to spin a negative web. What sane individual would do that? Have they no jobs? No family? No life? Although I don't know what it is, the MUST be some financial benefit to them for doing it. Otherwise ... its senseless.
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Post by irishpack on Oct 5, 2005 6:10:22 GMT -6
Dear Holdnolonger, You are talking in riddles... Would you mind spelling out your train of thought in complete detail... Thanks!! Starlight I'll try. LOL For 2 yrs we have posters some of the best DDr's on the boards very positive. We now see them very disgrunted and negative.No names but everyone knows who these people are. We find out about all the illegal shares and restricted shares funnelled Edwards and others and Frizzell wants action taken against them and their shares removed from the market. About the same time alot of positve longs start bashing. Why is that. Is it because they were apart of that inner circle of Illegal shares and stood to make alot of money and now they can't. I hope this is more clear now. If not I can try again. LOL You are totally ignoring and dismissing what some of these people have uncovered in publicly obtained documents. Don't you think that the change in their outlooks could be based on the factual data from those documents? |
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Post by wd8dky on Oct 5, 2005 6:16:27 GMT -6
Dear Holdnolonger, You are talking in riddles... Would you mind spelling out your train of thought in complete detail... Thanks!! Starlight I'll try. LOL For 2 yrs we have posters some of the best DDr's on the boards very positive. We now see them very disgrunted and negative.No names but everyone knows who these people are. We find out about all the illegal shares and restricted shares funnelled Edwards and others and Frizzell wants action taken against them and their shares removed from the market. About the same time alot of positve longs start bashing. Why is that. Is it because they were apart of that inner circle of Illegal shares and stood to make alot of money and now they can't. I hope this is more clear now. If not I can try again. LOL That's borderline libelous. I thought the idea of this board was to focus on the positives, and not drag the stock and the people associated with it through the mud. I guess the honeymoon period is over already. |
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Post by tramp on Oct 5, 2005 7:08:48 GMT -6
I'll try. LOL For 2 yrs we have posters some of the best DDr's on the boards very positive. We now see them very disgrunted and negative.No names but everyone knows who these people are. We find out about all the illegal shares and restricted shares funnelled Edwards and others and Frizzell wants action taken against them and their shares removed from the market. About the same time alot of positve longs start bashing. Why is that. Is it because they were apart of that inner circle of Illegal shares and stood to make alot of money and now they can't. I hope this is more clear now. If not I can try again. LOL You are totally ignoring and dismissing what some of these people have uncovered in publicly obtained documents. Don't you think that the change in their outlooks could be based on the factual data from those documents? well, let me state this again, noone answered my question as to who sent the documents, and who had a motive to do so, especially, when they were sent anyamously.. Colombo proved with his deep digging, there was nothing wrong in what urbie did, and those other papers only gave half a story.. and everyone of them was negative.. why? |
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Post by wwjdthrume on Oct 5, 2005 7:10:01 GMT -6
Hi Wd8dky, With no names used it is hardly libelous. It appears to be a valid possiblity to some observers. Obviously not every former positive shareholder who did a 180 is even remotely related to the hedge funds. But there is one I have my suspicions of. I talked with that person directly via PM eons ago and never got a response. The silence is loud enough to continue my suspicions.
Hi Irishpack, As far as the lists go. That is incomplete information. If shorty was paying our company for previously sold shares that is what it could look like. Taking that data and assuming the worst is not the only outlook- it is an outlook - but far from conclusive. Obviously some people that was enough to cause them to do an about face.
But was it enough to make them jump any positive posts as if you were trying to steal their firstborn?
Not IMO and that is my opinon.
-Debi
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