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Post by seagull on Apr 1, 2018 15:10:58 GMT -6
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆  Now... How long did you say we have to wait for the mail man?? Bring us some lemonade ... sugar in mine... Beary wants his without please.
☆ ........ got news for us ??
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Watching for the mailman ...... 
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Post by seagull on Apr 3, 2018 8:25:39 GMT -6
Remember : The DTCC is holding at least one of the Trust as they were culpable in allowing Naked Shorting to occur through their Stock Borrow Program. Al told us years ago in an update that Bob Maheu reluctantly gave the SEC the authority to release our Trust money. The SEC is responsible for releasing our Payment. The SEC is the agency that has been delaying our trial. It is the SEC that has been delaying our payment. Al Hodges told us our payment is imminent which means that CMKX shareholders can be paid NOW! The SEC needs to do the right thing and release the money to the shareholders. Otherwise, any further delay by the SEC must be met with Shareholder public exposure ! |
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Post by seagull on Apr 9, 2018 6:16:42 GMT -6
• The most important part of this webinar is that there is a new DOJ attorney on the case and they were told to wrap it up one way or the other this year.
• Steve is counting on the sale of a lot because he has been carrying this company with his money and is no longer able to continue.
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⭐Thanks imsingle⭐
March 30, 2018 RE: NHHI Webinar #77 Scheduled, NHE Post
April 4, 2018
RE: Playback Link for Webinar/Call #77
To All CMKM/NHHI Shareholders:
Please use the following link to access the recording for both the NHE meeting and the CMKM/NHHI meeting, both held on Friday, March 30, 2018 at 7:00 PM CDT (NHE meeting) and 8 PM CDT (NHHI meeting).
fccdl.in/BiYZrgbGTk
The NHE meeting ends at about the 50:11 mark on the recording, and the CMKM/NHHI part of the meeting begins a few seconds thereafter.
I hope that the ability to replay the events at your leisure is beneficial, and will allow more shareholders to stay current on what is happening with CMKM/NHHI.
Thank you and God bless!
Steve Kirkpatrick
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Post by seagull on Apr 9, 2018 15:07:12 GMT -6
To have plausible deniability in the Nevada court, it is imperative that no evidence can be shown to have existed or presented to the DOJ prosecutors that would validate the Biven's court filing. Otherwise, the DOJ would not be able to pursue the case against Edwards, et. al., and ignore the sting operation without violating the law (perjury, suppression evidence, etc.). The two cases are diametrically opposed to one another in that evidence in one would be in direct conflict with the allegations in the other. They are pursuing the the Edwards venue in court based on the evidence presented to them and legally it is imperative that it stay that way if this is the case that will write the closing remarks to our cmkx history. Now you can understand why no evidence (proof of trusts, etc.) written or discussed in court by Mr. Hodges was ever shown in court or in public, and why it will never be. All IMO roberto |
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Post by seagull on Apr 10, 2018 11:47:48 GMT -6
Good morning CMKM defendant Edwards seeks to leave jail 2018-04-10 10:14 ET - Street Wire This item is part of Stockwatch's value added news feed and is only available to Stockwatch subscribers. Here is a sample of this item: by Mike Caswell Lawyers for John Edwards, the only person in jail for the massive CMKM Diamonds Inc. fraud, have asked the judge to release their client. They say that Mr. Edwards is in poor health, both mentally and physically. They also say that they are negotiating a plea agreement that will include a recommendation that he receive a sentence equal to the time he has already spent in custody. The request comes as part of a case in which prosecutors claim that Mr. Edwards and others, including Saskatchewan's Urban Casavant, ran a two-year pump-and-dump with CMKM that peaked in 2004. Prosecutors say that the men sold hundreds of billions of unregistered shares during the scheme. In all they reaped $60-million in illegal profits, according to the government. (All figures are in U.S. dollars.) The case has yet to go to trial. Defence lawyers have been negotiating a plea agreement for Mr. Edwards for at least a year, and it now appears that they have some terms of the deal worked out. According to a motion filed on April 5, 2018, the plea agreement contemplates a sentence of time served, or about seven years. The motion does not spell out any other terms of a plea, such as any monetary penalties or supervised release. capten |
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Post by seagull on Apr 10, 2018 17:43:33 GMT -6
April 10, 2018 mgl Re: Case Number 2004R01639 and Court Docket Number 09-CR-00132 Dear mgl: The enclosed information is provided by the United States Department of Justice Victim Notification System (VNS). As a victim witness professional, my role is to assist you with information and services during the prosecution of this case. I am contacting you because you were identified by law enforcement as a victim or potential victim during the investigation of the above criminal case. The Government is contemplating entering into a plea agreement with the defendant James Edwards which would include the following elements – the defendant would plead guilty to Count 3 of the Second Superseding Indictment, charging him with Conspiracy to Commit Securities Fraud in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1349. The parties would jointly recommend a sentence of 103 months (which amounts to a time served sentence), a three year period of supervised release, and restitution in the amount of $70 million. If this plea does not go through, the trial is still scheduled for June 19, 2018. As far as John Edwards going to trial, there may be a medical issue, but the Judge has not been asked to rule on that issue, the attorneys are waiting to see if the plea happens. Through the Victim Notification System (VNS) we will continue to provide you with updated scheduling and event information as the case proceeds through the criminal justice system. You may obtain current information about this case on the VNS website at www.notify.usdoj.gov or from the VNS Call Center at 1-866-DOJ-4YOU (1-866-365-4968) (TDD/TTY: 1-866-228-4619) (International: 1-502-213-2767). In addition, you may use the Call Center or Internet to update your contact information and/or change your decision about participation in the notification program. You will use your Victim Identification Number (VIN) 'xxxxxxx' and Personal Identification Number (PIN) 'xxxx' anytime you contact the Call Center and the first time you log into VNS on the website. If you are receiving notifications with multiple victim ID/PIN codes please contact the VNS Call Center. In addition, the first time you access the VNS website, you will be prompted to enter your last name (or business name) as currently contained in VNS. The name you should enter is xxxxxxxxx Remember, VNS is an automated system and cannot answer questions. If you have other questions which involve this matter, please contact this office at the number listed above. Sincerely, Dayle Elieson United States Attorney Debra Waite Victim Witness Specialist |
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Post by seagull on Apr 10, 2018 17:43:45 GMT -6
Just got off the phone one half hour ago with Debra Waite. I can't believe she was nice enough to call me back.Probably the way I worded my call and waiting all these years. She stated that it is very possible the Edward's team and him will accept the plea agreement handed out. Debra stated the government has been working patiently for about a year on these plea agreements to come up with some sort of solution to this case.I told her I was extremely upset with the government,SEC,DOJ, and everyone else involved in this case of stonewalling.We have been on the back burner for over eight years and counting. No one likes us and we were always honest shareholders just trying to make a buck, not lose our entire fortune to criminals.I then said the biggest problem I have with this case is no one stepped in along the way when it was clearly shown that billion of shares were being traded on wall street in a day. All the departments that handled trading and policing securities looked the other way. Never did anyone step in and shut things down until the damage was done and close to 50,000 shareholders were hurt. I thought it was also criminal what the justice system did to us in protecting the criminals by installing new laws in trading and forget us. I told her 70 million damages, ha good luck in trying to collect a dime from this guy if you can find the money. All these years drift by and we are going to come up empty handed. She conceded I was probably right and there where so many people involved. I then stated it has been so long and many people have passed away since hoping the case would be resolved. At this point in time she sounded like the case would be resolved but not too sure on any payout. So it looks like a long road for us all these years I told her with not too much to look forward to but all the money we lost with the government not protecting our rights as shareholders. I just hope I vented enough to her but I believe I gave her a message of we were cheated . I hope now we can see some sort of resolution with in the coming months or a press release of hope for us all. |
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Post by seagull on Apr 11, 2018 9:12:54 GMT -6
John Edwards case is settled awaiting for signature of the Judge. |
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Post by seagull on Apr 12, 2018 8:49:28 GMT -6
Flyingj 🍀🙏🍀🙏🍀🙏🍀🙏🍀🙏 PS : I stand by, WE GET PAID-Fake Edwards pleas after a day or week of payment. From this post:😃 I pray you all pay it forward. Nothing more to say, good luck and remember what it’s like to be poor. I’m DONE posting, believe what you like. We are on the cusp of FINALLY being paid. Over and OUT. Amen. God be with you all. Flyingj 🍀🙏🍀🙏🍀🙏🍀🙏🍀🙏 PS : I stand by, WE GET PAID-Fake Edwards pleas after a day or week of payment. |
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Post by faithandlogic on Apr 13, 2018 18:06:34 GMT -6
For the record, I'm never right about this stuff.. lol
But here is something for consideration..
Gene C. Valentine is one of the largest shareholders.
Take a look at the caliber of this person at www.gcvper.com/index.html
This is what Al Hodges said about him in December. "Mr. Valentine is a substantial investor in CMKX as well as a large currency holder." "as well as a large currency holder"
Is it possible that he is the holder of the Trust?
Al went on to say.. "He obviously believes that we are about to be paid, which, for the record, I agree with."
He is the trustee of the GC Valentine TRUSTS He is the owner of Financial West Group, Inc He was Trustee of Bethany College
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Post by seagull on Apr 14, 2018 16:03:00 GMT -6
I seriously doubt it.
I think the government has control...
SEC ??
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Post by seagull on Apr 14, 2018 16:36:52 GMT -6
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Post by seagull on Apr 15, 2018 18:24:09 GMT -6
Update - 4/15/18 - 1:30 PM CDT CMKM/NHHI - It has been a very eventful week. John Edwards, former CMKM insider and mastermind/participant in the $200MM+ fraud, passed away on 4/13/18. This creates issues with our asset recovery efforts at a very critical time. Inspite of this, pray for the Edwards family and salvation for all. In another startling turn of events, the buyer for our CA lot cancelled the deal late Friday. I am still in shock over this, as we were supposed to close on 4/20/18 and obtain desperately-needed funds. We need a huge miracle for CMKM/NHHI to survive all this. Prayers requested....... |
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Post by seagull on Apr 16, 2018 14:18:58 GMT -6
Reposting from July 2017😸 Again...interesting that they knew in July 2017 that the Nov trial would be postponed but would end in 2018?? 😼 Personally, I think the no funds collected, etc. is just part of the cover-up. ******* From Hawkeye 🌟 I did speak to the SEC lady, her name was Katie Wanna. She said there wasn't any Fair Funds set up for CMKM Diamonds shareholders. She also said...There wasn't any money collected! Also talked to Jaye Beltran she said it was the U.S. Attorney Generals Office. This was on May 18th. Jaye Beltran is who signs off on the DOJ reports to shareholders. She informed me the Edwards case scheduled for Nov 23rd would probably be cancelled again and this case will end next year. She said I could e-mail the FBI investigator Mari Tanovich at usanv.vwc@usdoj.gov Additional info: 🌟 SEC Katie Wanner (323)965-3850 wannerk@sec.gov Also...from Hawkeye's calls: They did say it would be postponed again and it will END NEXT YEAR. 😃 This is the last cancel per Debra Waite at the DOJ! It ends next year. Praise God! Debra Waite at the DOJ said... there's no such thing as World Global Settelments! Mrs. Waite did say with the most confidence...It will be over next year! I promise to God she said that. |
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Post by stockrocker on Apr 16, 2018 15:17:46 GMT -6
:)There seems to be rhetoric and activity but silence from ACH...hope this is a positive sign.   Jim/SR |
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Post by seagull on Apr 16, 2018 17:42:24 GMT -6
Just got off the phone with the lady who is handling Debra Waite's court case with us. Seems Ms. Waite went on leave and she is taking over her cases. If only I would of listened to her name I wouldn't have to say lady. I explained to her everything I was talking to Debra about in our case and all the answers I was looking for. She then proceeded to tell me there is not a plea deal entered in the case. It doesn't mean they they were not working on one though. I then asked about Edwards passing away last week. There is nothing entered in the docket that states he has passed. It still shows his next trial is in June. She left me with an agreement she would immediately call me if she can find any updated information on the docket. Will call me as soon as there is information. If he passed she thought they would of entered it in the docket with update but as of now it is not there. I hope for a call back within 1 to 2 days at the most. scottbro2 She also understood why I was so desperate for information because she saw the case was started in 2009 and could not believe all this time has passed. I said  name me another case that has been delayed over 60+ times. |
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Post by seagull on Apr 17, 2018 17:40:59 GMT -6
I just called Judge Dorsey this morning and she stated she could not give me any information if the defendant passed away. Next called the U.S. attorneys office in Nevada and asked them to look up any updates in our case and she told me the last update was April 9th and stated the U.S. attorneys office rejected the plea deal for less jail time because of Edwards health concerns. I asked well did he die, she said your have to wait to see if there is an update. Now I called back the person sitting in for Debra Waite and left a message to see if she may find a new update for us. Man can't any one throw us a bone as to what is going on. I can not stand waiting. We have to hang in there. They have to get tired of me calling. New response from Mamie handling Debra Waites cases. Attorney Tony Lopes handling case for U.S. stated in update Mr. Edwards has passed away Saturday or Sunday. Waiting for an autopsy result and a death certificate submitted to the courts. There are several other defendants in this case so it will still proceed. Mamie also stated they are still trying to collect money from all defendants so victims may have something. |
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Post by seagull on Apr 18, 2018 12:56:57 GMT -6
April 18, 2018 U.S. Department of Justice District of Nevada 501 Las Vegas Blvd. South, Suite 1100 Las Vegas, NV 89101 Phone: (702) 388-6218 Fax: (702) 388-6296 Re: United States v. Defendant(s) Ginger Gutierrez, Brian Dvorak, John M. Edwards, James Kinney Case Number 2004R01639 and Court Docket Number 09-CR-00132 Dear Portrush: The enclosed information is provided by the United States Department of Justice Victim Notification System (VNS). As a victim witness professional, my role is to assist you with information and services during the prosecution of this case. I am contacting you because you were identified by law enforcement as a victim or potential victim during the investigation of the above criminal case. Custody of a defendant during a federal criminal case is determined by the Court and is managed by the United States Marshal Service. Custody status of a defendant is subject to change during the course of the criminal proceedings. To receive the timeliest update to your case, please provide and verify your email address, as instructed below. As of April 13, 2018, John M. Edwards is not in the custody of the U.S. Marshal Service. The defendant is deceased. A status hearing is scheduled before Judge Jennifer Dorsey for May 14, 2018, 11:00 AM at LV Courtroom 6D, Lloyd D. George U.S. Courthouse, 333 Las Vegas Blvd South, Las Vegas, NV 89101 for defendant(s) Brian Dvorak, Ginger Gutierrez, James Kinney. The purpose of this hearing is to determine if there are issues that the Court needs to address and to schedule any necessary future court dates. Because of the Court's schedule, hearing dates could change on very short notice. If you plan on attending, you may want to call the VNS Call Center or check the website to confirm the date and time. Please note, there is a 24-hour delay in information transfer to the website. Through the Victim Notification System (VNS) we will continue to provide you with updated scheduling and event information as the case proceeds through the criminal justice system. You may obtain current information about this case on the VNS website at www.notify.usdoj.gov or from the VNS Call Center at 1-866-DOJ-4YOU (1-866-365-4968) (TDD/TTY: 1-866-228-4619) (International: 1-502-213-2767). In addition, you may use the Call Center or Internet to update your contact information and/or change your decision about participation in the notification program. You will use your Victim Identification Number (VIN) and Personal Identification Number (PIN) anytime you contact the Call Center and the first time you log into VNS on the website. If you are receiving notifications with multiple victim ID/PIN codes please contact the VNS Call Center. In addition, the first time you access the VNS website, you will be prompted to enter your last name (or business name) as currently contained in VNS. The name you should enter is . Remember, VNS is an automated system and cannot answer questions. If you have other questions which involve this matter, please contact this office at the number listed above. Sincerely, Dayle Elieson United States Attorney Debra Waite Victim Witness Specialist |
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Post by seagull on Apr 20, 2018 12:14:23 GMT -6
Just talked w Kirkpatrick for a very long time. Told him o would make a post Typing on the phone so it won’t be a long one I expressed my feeelings that it would be nice That we at least clarify that the positive post he made Is not translated wrongly into many gate holders thinking it’s some money coming into cmkx But if so perhaps more related to his focus which is oil business After talking for an hour or more I can relate that his feelings on the $$ from the past Or trust or sec or similar are the same And the only enthusiastic feelings And happy feelings he expressed were about oil business So imo Imo 99,99 percent he is talking about oil business happy potential god thing After an hour or more talking about it all We returned to oil And he repeated the words that god is at work At which I said , it would be so nice if god was at work In our wishes besides his oil ones, However very clearly he is talking about oil business I thought it would be better for us as shareholders to clarify that Bc hopes up and crashing down has been painfull That’s it Ps At this moment kirkpatrick is very enthusiastic about his oil business He shared a story which I think inspires him to follow this route, about a man his son flies planes for, that made his fortune in oil wells and sold it for 19 billion. So clearly I can understand his inspiration about this, and also Kirkpatrick feels he is able and a right guy for this job. Again, we always end up talking about everything But that is also where we lose dots Shareholders focus on cert pull times, maheu role as trustee after being in bod, sec depositions vs stoecklein and maheu, talking about those that “had to buy into certs” Is something Kirkpatric does not focus on and regards not important to even muse answers for. I always do appreciate him picking the phone and spending time in conversation. |
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Post by seagull on Apr 20, 2018 12:16:47 GMT -6
Rockman The poor timing we perceive Does not exist for Kirkpatrick He simply thinks we refuse to live out of the past, And he thinks about the past More simplisticly then we do He skips the times and events of maheu and cert pull I actually did ask him today about his conversations w frizzle about that time Bc frizz was part of it, but explanation as to why maheu stayed w cmkx after bod, when he went to task force Seemed unimportant and meaningless to Kirkpatrick He thought that saying you are trustee for the task force is meaningless and empty made up title He also did not find sec deposition w maheu and stoecklein really worth finding any meaning into He simply skips it His thinking is we got scammed and lost money the moment we stopped trading ☎️😀😂😄🛢🛢🛢🛢 Also it seemed that he had some hopes of this company going back trading |
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Post by seagull on Apr 20, 2018 12:19:09 GMT -6
I don’t know if I posted this from Kirkpatrick There is no plea agreement signed Family can’t do it either Feeling that years were lost and taxpayers money while not much getting done Doj wants remaining defendants serve jail time But defendants have already suffered For years and will plead no need for jail time Thoughts feelings if there is upcoming trial In june that they will likely be let go. Or should |
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Post by seagull on Apr 20, 2018 12:53:19 GMT -6
Ines called Kirkpatrick about his post on the NEH facebook to see of it had anything to do with NHHI/CMKM and it doesn't. It was about the energy/oil business.
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Post by tonypro on Apr 21, 2018 22:16:53 GMT -6
Hey everyone, was in here doing a flyby to check on any updates and it does seem this ride is coming to an end one way , or another. Hopefully it will be a positive ending for all the shareholders. Almost seems like the powers that be are trying to wait on all involved to pass away. I guess then the U.S. (mafia) Guberment would then say "To bad this generation has passed right before this settled. Guess we'll just keep the funds." In any case I digress.
If this does settle out, does it matter whether you're registered with the Victim System and have a victim id number? I still have my cert, but never registered as a victim.
Major kudos again for all that keep this forum alive. Thank you!!!
TonyPro
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Post by seagull on Apr 22, 2018 10:41:03 GMT -6
Hey everyone, was in here doing a flyby to check on any updates and it does seem this ride is coming to an end one way , or another. Hopefully it will be a positive ending for all the shareholders. Almost seems like the powers that be are trying to wait on all involved to pass away. I guess then the U.S. ( mafia) Guberment would then say "To bad this generation has passed right before this settled. Guess we'll just keep the funds." In any case I digress. If this does settle out, does it matter whether you're registered with the Victim System and have a victim id number? I still have my cert, but never registered as a victim. Major kudos again for all that keep this forum alive. Thank you!!! TonyPro It is my understanding that you don't have to register as a victim. I didn't. I think that was if you wanted them to send you updates. . Just need your paper cert and check to be sure it is correctly documented with TOL (Transfer Online) with current address if you moved , etc. IMO 🌟 |
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Post by seagull on Apr 27, 2018 19:06:35 GMT -6
An oldie... the listener everyone will recall this saga started out when John Martin with the help of Kevin West and Bill Frizzell started the owner's group. The goal was to prove that there were naked short shares in the marbket. They took $25 from multiple shareholders to give them comfort in knowing that they would be represented by an attorney who would look out for their best interests. Many of you joined the owner's group and paid money to support this effort. The owner's group asked you to fax in your brokerage statements showing how many shares of CMKX you owned. The owner's group went so far as to become a party during the SEC's action to revoke the company. As you may recall they even had meetings with members of the SEC to discuss the evidence they had compliments of the shareholders who faxed in their brokerage statements. During this time they even said that Bill Frizzell had hired people on the ground to verify that the company had substantial assets. I for one did not join the owner's group nor did the shareholders in my circle. I felt that instead of shareholder's joining an owner's group, the best way to prove a naked short and protect your legal interests was to take delivery of your stock certificate. It's far more effective if everyone orders their stock certificate and we find out there isn't enough to go around. This is where my concerns begin. I interacted with Kevin West especially during the revocation hearings, I was amazed when Leslie Hakula questioned Helen Bagley with regard to how many shares were outstanding in CMKX and she answered over 2 trillion. Obviously if there were over 2 trillion shares and only 800 billion outstanding, we have a naked short on our hands. At the time it was stated that there were over 200 billion shares in certificate form. This alarmed me and I told every shareholder I knew in the stock to pull their certificates immediately. They looked at me strange and said why would we pull certs on a pennystock? My answer was simple, if there is a naked short at some point the DTC is going to need our shares to settle the short. If we trade in the open market we will have the largest short squeeze of a lifetime and we could always sell our shares on a will deliver basis if that happens. But my other concern was that the company might go private, allow revocation, and only recognize shareholders with certificates. If the SEC doesn't do their job it isn't their problem, they know who their shareholders are because all the shares would be certed up to the 800 billion shares and the rest would not be recognized or not be allowed to move forward with the company. Therefore it was imperative to pull your certs before they are all gone or you run the risk that you are not recognized, why take the chance. I called Kevin the next day when I read the transcript and expressed my concern. I told him that I was pulling every share I could get my hands on before they were all gone. He chuckled and told me that everyone in the office at the law firm were doing the same after he read what I referred too. I asked him if he was going to advise the Owner's group to do the same because it would beyond a doubt prove a naked short. He told me that the SEC had warned them against doing that otherwise they would charge them with market manipulation. This is where my problem begins. How is it that you take money from shareholders and give them a false sense of legal protection, in turn they don't order their certs when they really should be. Meanwhile John Martin's group is probably pulling all their shares and taking control of the company while the shareholders falsely think they are protected. What happens next is that the company is revoked. They announce a deal with Entourage and creates a Task Force. Kevin West and Bill Frizzell become members of that Task Force. Urban conveniently steps down and Kevin West is put in place. A board of directors is created. How is it that members of John Martin's group take control of the company unless he must proved to the SEC that he had controlling interest in the company. Conveniently the company since they are private and no longer trade through the brokerage houses require everyone to take delivery of their stock certificates. They know d**n well that there isn't enough shares to go around because they already took delivery of all the certs. Conveniently you are told that if you cannot obtain a stock certificate you should email the Taskforce. Why, because this way you can point the finger at the brokerage firm that is short and people who have all the real shares in certificate form can go to them and see if they need to buy some shares. The SEC has a major mess on their hands, the DTC has a major mess on their hands, the electronic shareholders requesting certificates create this mess and the only people that can resolve all their problems are the one's with the real certificates who are willing to sell them privately to the DTC to settle the naked short. Conveniently you failed to order to your certs in the beginning while an investment group was ordering all of them. Conveniently you sat idly by feeling your interests were protected while they were protecting their interests. Conveniently you gave them the your brokerage statements so they could go to the SEC and prove their case. Conveniently they took control of the company, allowed it to be revoked, did a deal with Entourage, required you to get stock cert knowing d**n well it would be a problem. Thus you fine shareholders helped create a situation in which this investment group could be paid by selling the "real shares" to the DTC so that the "counterfeit" electronic shareholders could get a certificate. The value of this company was highly likely mainly in the naked short. Good Cop, Bad Cop.....TheListener Now we have Kevin West in charge of the company to make you believe that the company doesn't really have any assets. $500 in a checking account? His job is to sell this to you poor shareholders who were sold a bill of goods. They went so far as hiring Mark Faulk to write a book, I recall it was the Owner's group who paid him to do the book. In the end they blame Urban Casavant and D Roger Glenn for issuing unregistered shares. From what it appears, they did, but probably when they realized they lost control of the company and did it in a panic. The blame goes on the former officers of the company and the issue of the naked short is never addressed by the Tyler group. Conveniently you are led to believe that the naked short shares were really just unregistered shares that were issued by the former insiders. The brokerage firms who are represented by the DTC so long as they were able to buy enough shares to cover their short and give you a certificate are no longer on the hook. Would the SEC allow this? Probably to cover their negligence and make the problem go away. I always asked Kevin why he would take this position if he is not even getting a paycheck? If the company has no assets and we are lucky to just get our money back, why not bankrupt it and let us take our tax loss each year to recoup our investment. Well, it appears that Tyler has not recouped much of anything in terms of assets, but they bought enough time to force probably a behind the scenes settlement in which a certain investment group was able to provide their shares to cover the short. Sad part is that we will never be able to prove it and they know it. Unfortunately though, they ran into a smart and tough group of shareholders that don't know how to take what they are being fed. For years they have had guru's go out there and speak of huge payouts, while Kevin would go out there and shoot them down. Everytime the guru's price and time frame would come and go with nothing, and Kevin would be proven correct. Slowly but surely some of the shareholder base would get worn out and start believing Tyler. However certain die-hard shareholders just won't give it a rest, they still believe their is a huge pot at the end of the rainbow. The problem is, there probably was, it's just that it went to them and not you. So the only way to do this is to play good cop, bad cop. The good cop will be played by Al and bad cop will be played by Tyler, Kevin and Bill. The good cop tells you everything you want to hear and plays into your ultimate dreams of great wealth. Remember the good cop use to do work for the company. Surprisingly the bad cop doesn't say anything when normally they are the first ones to address rumors. The good cop has credibility because he is willing to file a Federal lawsuit, remind you, to subpoena the very people at the SEC who covered this up. This time they are using shareholders as plaintiffs that everyone can relate too. The problem I have with this is that the lawsuit is for such a ridiculous amount of money that no credible financial journalist is going to touch it. Like a reporter from Bloomberg or the Wall Street journal is going to entertain a $3.7 trillion dollar lawsuit for a penny stock that has $500 in their checking account, and former insiders who issued unregistered shares of stock, a world reports website backing it, they would lose any respect and integrity people have for them as a financial reporter. Bottomline, they wouldn't touch it with 10 foot stick because it stinks too much and is rather humorous in their eyes. The good cop knows that from the start, he has to play the role, but he doesn't want too much attention, if you make the suit reasonable you might get coverage, but if you make it ridiculous you will get none. The good cop leads you down the path, using the plaintiffs who are shareholders you trusted, whether the plaintiffs know they are being used is still a question mark. I've never seen a case where the attorney doesn't have a problem with plaintiffs stirring up the shareholder's hopes and then dashing them every week with no communication. Don't you find it odd that the good cop never directly tells you anything and uses plaintiffs to communicate on message boards and give updates. Your told when things don't happen that you shouldn't have listened to them, like it's your fault. At the same time the bad cop is quiet and is allowing this to happen when he never tolerated it before. In the end the case will get thrown out because they don't have the facts to support the case, conveniently they never give us the amount of money in the trust, the name of the trust, the trustee, etc but they are going after it. We can't even get the names of the 3 Chinese companies they did the deal with. Why would that be such a secret if it is true? The plaintiffs are made to look like a circus act. Sunday one plaintiff says a penny a share, Al will update Monday, Monday another plaintiff says no update today, Al will update on Tuesday, Tuesday another plaintiff says no update we have to wait for Al to get confirmation. IMO the bottom line is that we are all being led down this path for the ultimate disappointment. Most of us if this doesn't pan out would feel that we had a good run for our money since Al filed a Federal lawsuit and if their was money in a trust we would have gotten it. Basically it would be the final nail in the coffin and make most of us go away and with a lot of egg on our faces with the world reports reporting and the ridiculous lawsuit being thrown out of court. Kevin could then come back and say unfortunately I told you so, no one believed me, now I am the only chance you have left and you will take it because you have no choice. It just plains sucks, we've been used, we've been taken advantage of by the people we trusted who had their own agendas and interests at heart. If they did what I believe they did, they could have at least shared some of the wealth with all of you good, hard working people especially because without you they couldn't have made it work. It's not right and no one seems to give a d**n because they are too busy covering their own tracks. They want us to believe that we are 40,000+ foolish shareholders and are trying to make us look so foolish that we will go away. We all know in our hearts and minds that we put our hard earned money in this investment because we understood their was an injustice in the marketplace taking place. We believed in our leaders, our government, our systems, our regulations and our laws. It's too bad the people who are supposed to carry out and enforce these laws don't do their jobs, they are corrupt and this country will go to Poughkeepsie because of it. Thank you for listening, God Bless you all, you all deserve better. Sincerely, TheListener So many years later .. how does it look now ? Listener is not stupid And this is all prior to stories of wgs and electrical glitches we got for Christmas. What would he post if he took it from today’s perspective. |
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name me another case that has been delayed over 60+ times.
