Shareholder Unity- 2nd "Un-Poll"

[Deleted]

Second question, to go along with my first (instead of a poll):

1. Do you believe the shareholders must have a common point-of-view before they can work together?

TIA-
C-Dub

PS: The results of this effort may be shared on 66 and/or 70.

[Lynn]

Not necessarily but we have to meet somewhere in the middle. Right now we are poles apart and both think we have the right philosophies, etc.

While this board and a few others do not allow bashing of each other, it is allowed at 66 and even encouraged if the Mods' posts are any indication.

How can we pull together when one group "knows" it is a scam and the rest of us believe otherwise? Maybe when PR's and money start appearing we can find a middle ground, the War Room will cease to exist and we can all be big enough to go back to the old days. In the meantime, I see no way although I would like to see all pull together as a cohesive group.


I applaud your efforts but I am afraid at this time it is an uphill battle.

IMHO
Lynn

[seemkayx]

The one common point of view is that we need to believe in CMKX and trust that the Task Force and whomever else UC has established to battle for us will fight till the end. Whatever the outcome of CMKX we must bound together in this one area.

Without belief of success reading the boards and writing distasteful negative comments only brings hostility to the board. I guess that is the second point common point of view we must all agree on. No distasteful negative comments, ones that would negatively impact another shareholder.

We can disagree with what we actually know, which is very little. The disagreement should be handled in a responsible manner. We're all entitled to our own opinions but that does not make us right.

And rumors should be treated as such. Have fun with them, but don't take them to heart. We will never agree on all aspects of any rumor.

[Deleted]

Research "boing"

[bhbhbh]

My biggest issue has been that you are either one or the other. If a person wants to be positive or believe rumors or look for the good in this, or really believes in UC and his team then it should be ok with all.

If a person really thinks that this is bad, is or isn't a scam, thinks that we have been lied to or whatever then that is their choice and we should accept it, which we do but they insist that we are acting like kids by not believing what they are saying.

But to continually shove agenda's down peoples throats or call whomever doesn't see things as you think they are seeing things stupid, or illiterate, then this is total crap.

I am in the middle and luckily have not invested enough to really suffer if for some reason this tanks. I love seeing rumors, wild or mild and understand that most of them are just rumors. Or even if they are the absolute truth, I will not believe them as such until there is reason to.

I realize that some claim to have superior knowledge or insider information, or some claim that if you want the truth you must talk to a certain small clique', but in reality who cares if they do or don't. I hear the arguments from the "well I care about being lied to, etc, " but until we know why if we have been lied then do not insult me for not seeing things your way.

I personally love this stock, good or bad because I have learned more than I would have ever "thunk" to due to the continuing dd by those in the know. But just because you know more does not mean I must side with you on everything you say.

There are many angles, beliefs and future affairs that we must deal with and I find it really pathetic to insult one on their belief. There are sadly about 6 on the other board that are in excess as far as insulting in what think is an insulting manner, and though some do not directly insult here, there are some way out stuff being shoved around. But again, it is easier to play with the far out stuff than the "I know for a fact we have been lied to stuff, and believe with me or drink your kool-aid blah blah blah".

Now I am not being a hypocrite for claiming bs on the Georger thing, that was just popping off, no insults, just not believing yet about the check. It doesn't change by thinking and I hope to eat crow, but as far as can we all get together I do not think so. There are just too many different factions at work.

There are many Baptist churches where I live but many do not choose to worship with other churches. They basically believe the same thing but choose to worship with their group and that is great. I am glad I at least have a board or two that keeps me alive in this stock and in reality, most on all the boards are probably fine folks, but we cannot all be one, sorry.

[Deleted]

I come back to my reply last time.

What is the goal?

If we get paid next week, what is the goal?

If we get paid next week, I will drop this board like a hot potatoe. I have work to do, boats to build, places to sail and people to love.

I have always believed that Maheu was working in our best interests. I have always believed he's had a master plan. Remember, I was here when LoCastro and UC were meeting. I watched it happen to SRCI and I saw them meet and then everything that happened to SRCI happened again to CMKX, but now we are in uncharted territory. CMKX has gone where SRCI could not.

So, I repeat what is the goal?

I will Follow Maheu's lead and do everything in my power to fark up anybody moving in opposition to him.

Any questions?

[broadhorizons]

Sincerely,

Broad Horizons

[TexasPride]

I've received several requests to move the "Mending Fences" threads to off-topic. All in favor, give a .

Thanks ~

[Deleted]

[bhbhbh]

[nandi]

CW,

I don't know that I'd use POV as the basis for "work(ing) together".

I am having difficulty finding words I want to use to express the thoughts which would explain the underlying unity I think we would all need to come to know, understand and accept if we are to treat each other honorably, our differing perspectives with a measure of tolerance and our gathered forum of expression with respect.

Our POV's would then have a healthy environment in which to be offered to others that all may benefit from seeing and understanding a "Truth" from another's perspective. An exaggerated example, if I may.

One tosses a pebble into a pond. What is "Truth"?

A small insect, floating upon the pond will see, and describe, a huge wall of water speeding toward it, forcing the bug ever higher - until the wall of water passes and the entire bed of the pond (it seems) collapses -- all to be endured again and again until the multiple wave action ceases.

A bird, flying over the pond looks down and sees a tube of water jumping into the air to be quickly collapsed. From this strange action appears to be, at first just one, and then many rings of water, becoming less in energy, but all of them moving out from where the tube of water was first noted. They keep expanding and expanding - getting weaker and weaker until they bump into the shore line and seem to go away.

A fish passing notices an object falling through its environment. It seems to have little to no effect upon the fish except to excite it a bit. The fish notices the "sky" appears to be somewhat agitated.

Which description of a stone entering the pond and its aftermath, is true? Which, if any, are false? Can they all be true? Can they all be false?

POV, or perspective is a very Relative - and a very DANGEROUS thing. And it can get one into a hell of a lot of trouble if one falls victim to the trap of believing one's POV is the only - or the most important POV out there. People who harbor these illusions tend to want to force others to accept their "Reality" as the only "Reality", and they, as the only one who can see and understand it.

We all can understand this example (I hope). One human being is - at the same identical time - to another Human Being a: Mother, daughter, sister, cousin, grandchild, neighbor, wife, employer, employee, statistic, enemy, saint - and the list can be endless.

All POV's are correct if viewed from the position of the one who is in the relative position holding it. All POV's are in error if we hold to our own POV exclusively.

My point CW, is that we need to find something for us that we can all agree to - something not "relative" as is a personal point of view. We need to come to an agreement of something more deep, vastly more fundamental and enduring than POV.

You ask a question which contained the word "must". Yes CW, there is a "must" we must. We must accept for ourselves the Virtues of RESPECT, TOLERANCE, FORBEARANCE for those who post here and for this medium, this board, itself. If we can individually do this, the contributions of other members of this board will enrich us all and we will truly have a "family - a community of shareholders".

We can most certainly argue (in the Greek sense) with other posters. But my point is - we contend with their IDEAS, and not the human being offering them.

Thank you CW for this chance to share with you my ideas on this subject. My best to you,

n

chuckwheat said:

Second question, to go along with my first (instead of a poll):

1. Do you believe the shareholders must have a common point-of-view before they can work together?

TIA-
C-Dub

PS: The results of this effort may be shared on 66 and/or 70.

[Deleted]

Nandi-

You make a good point, and if I may, I'll continue with your example.

While all involved see the pebble from different perspectives, they all share a common thread...they are all part of the same environment.

I'm not asking you to stop believing what you believe in...I don't believe we're going to lose everything just because I work with the folks on PB32/66 frequently. Neither do I believe that we're going to see our bank accounts swell from a few bucks to millions overnight.

Some folks want others to believe only these polorized versions can be truth. I want us to come together to discuss these differences respectfully...but more importantly, so we can deal with the next evolution far more effectively.

For if we are scammed...we'll need to pool our resources and talents to combat those who scammed us.

And if we are to become rich overnight...we all could use some good contacts that can help eachother out, right?

Thanks for your response-
C-Dub

[bhbhbh]

nandi said:

CW,

I don't know that I'd use POV as the basis for "work(ing) together".

I am having difficulty finding words I want to use to express the thoughts which would explain the underlying unity I think we would all need to come to know, understand and accept if we are to treat each other honorably, our differing perspectives with a measure of tolerance and our gathered forum of expression with respect.

Our POV's would then have a healthy environment in which to be offered to others that all may benefit from seeing and understanding a "Truth" from another's perspective. An exaggerated example, if I may.

One tosses a pebble into a pond. What is "Truth"?

A small insect, floating upon the pond will see, and describe, a huge wall of water speeding toward it, forcing the bug ever higher - until the wall of water passes and the entire bed of the pond (it seems) collapses -- all to be endured again and again until the multiple wave action ceases.

A bird, flying over the pond looks down and sees a tube of water jumping into the air to be quickly collapsed. From this strange action appears to be, at first just one, and then many rings of water, becoming less in energy, but all of them moving out from where the tube of water was first noted. They keep expanding and expanding - getting weaker and weaker until they bump into the shore line and seem to go away.

A fish passing notices an object falling through its environment. It seems to have little to no effect upon the fish except to excite it a bit. The fish notices the "sky" appears to be somewhat agitated.

Which description of a stone entering the pond and its aftermath, is true? Which, if any, are false? Can they all be true? Can they all be false?

POV, or perspective is a very Relative - and a very DANGEROUS thing. And it can get one into a hell of a lot of trouble if one falls victim to the trap of believing one's POV is the only - or the most important POV out there. People who harbor these illusions tend to want to force others to accept their "Reality" as the only "Reality", and they, as the only one who can see and understand it.

We all can understand this example (I hope). One human being is - at the same identical time - to another Human Being a: Mother, daughter, sister, cousin, grandchild, neighbor, wife, employer, employee, statistic, enemy, saint - and the list can be endless.

All POV's are correct if viewed from the position of the one who is in the relative position holding it. All POV's are in error if we hold to our own POV exclusively.

My point CW, is that we need to find something for us that we can all agree to - something not "relative" as is a personal point of view. We need to come to an agreement of something more deep, vastly more fundamental and enduring than POV.

You ask a question which contained the word "must". Yes CW, there is a "must" we must. We must accept for ourselves the Virtues of RESPECT, TOLERANCE, FORBEARANCE for those who post here and for this medium, this board, itself. If we can individually do this, the contributions of other members of this board will enrich us all and we will truly have a "family - a community of shareholders".

We can most certainly argue (in the Greek sense) with other posters. But my point is - we contend with their IDEAS, and not the human being offering them.

Thank you CW for this chance to share with you my ideas on this subject. My best to you,

n

chuckwheat said:

Second question, to go along with my first (instead of a poll):

1. Do you believe the shareholders must have a common point-of-view before they can work together?

TIA-
C-Dub

PS: The results of this effort may be shared on 66 and/or 70.

Wouldn't the bird be grabbing the fish as it grabbed the bug. And as the bird flew away it was popped by a nearby hunter. It fell to the pond and and caused the riffle, but the dog didn't care as it swam out and grabbed the bird. Oh well! This was just fun but what you said was great. There are reasons why we seperate. There were 12 tribes, not one.

[nandi]

bhbhbh said:

Wouldn't the bird be grabbing the fish as it grabbed the bug. And as the bird flew away it was popped by a nearby hunter. It fell to the pond and and caused the riffle, but the dog didn't care as it swam out and grabbed the bird. Oh well! This was just fun but what you said was great. There are reasons why we seperate. There were 12 tribes, not one.

bhbhbh,

Twelve Tribes - One Humanity. Twelve signs of the Zodiac - One Zodiac. Seven Prizmatic Colors - One Light.

There may be reason for separation, but do they include refusing to see - walking away from the opportunity to understand? For many, unfortunately, the answer seems to be "Yes".

And thanks for the response. You can have fun with my post as much as you like. ;D

Enjoy your day,

n

[bhbhbh]

nandi said:

bhbhbh said:

Wouldn't the bird be grabbing the fish as it grabbed the bug. And as the bird flew away it was popped by a nearby hunter. It fell to the pond and and caused the riffle, but the dog didn't care as it swam out and grabbed the bird. Oh well! This was just fun but what you said was great. There are reasons why we seperate. There were 12 tribes, not one.

bhbhbh,

Twelve Tribes - One Humanity. Twelve signs of the Zodiac - One Zodiac. Seven Prizmatic Colors - One Light.

There may be reason for separation, but do they include refusing to see - walking away from the opportunity to understand? For many, unfortunately, the answer seems to be "Yes".

And thanks for the response. You can have fun with my post as much as you like. ;D

Enjoy your day,

n

And that is exactly why anything was written, so we could be told that we are refusing to see. What if wwe have been full circle and don't need to see. Anyway, it's all relative. No its not, that is the same as POV. Have a nice day and I will see and believe as I wish.

[nandi]

Who was asking you to do otherwise?

bhbhbh said:

nandi said:

bhbhbh,

Twelve Tribes - One Humanity. Twelve signs of the Zodiac - One Zodiac. Seven Prizmatic Colors - One Light.

There may be reason for separation, but do they include refusing to see - walking away from the opportunity to understand? For many, unfortunately, the answer seems to be "Yes".

And thanks for the response. You can have fun with my post as much as you like. ;D

Enjoy your day,

n

And that is exactly why anything was written, so we could be told that we are refusing to see. What if wwe have been full circle and don't need to see. Anyway, it's all relative. No its not, that is the same as POV. Have a nice day and I will see and believe as I wish.

[squirrel516]

admin said:

I've received several requests to move the "Mending Fences" threads to off-topic. All in favor, give a .

Thanks ~

*Thumbs down*

I think this is a relevant topic. If a superbowl thread can remain in the main forum, why would we move this one?

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